> Canonical URL: https://codingcat.dev/podcast/infrastructure-driven-development # Infrastructure Driven Development 🎧 Podcast Episode · S4E20September 20, 2024[#Infrastructure](/topic/infrastructure)[![](/logos/tags/aws-symbol-light.svg)![](/logos/tags/aws-symbol-dark.svg)AWS](/topic/aws)[#DevOps](/topic/devops)[![](/logos/tags/algolia-symbol-light.svg)![](/logos/tags/algolia-symbol-dark.svg)Algolia](/topic/algolia) # Infrastructure Driven Development ![](https://cdn.sanity.io/media-libraries/mlttp0BZbCpV/images/9df9ecc7df62eeb57400e08c5e52d109020ced91-1920x1080.png?w=1920&h=1080&q=82&fit=max&auto=format)[@CodingCatDev62.5K / 100K Subscribers Goal](https://www.youtube.com/@codingcatdev?sub_confirmation=1)[Subscribe on YouTube→](https://www.youtube.com/@codingcatdev?sub_confirmation=1)[Watch on YouTube App ↗](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&list=UUnKZ8gEb78zXKMi1ns-IQ2g)[![Alex Patterson](https://cdn.sanity.io/media-libraries/mlttp0BZbCpV/images/a606dfaa381aab08ddbe16a33fe1d3e1fb37c927-400x400.jpg?w=96&h=96&q=82&fit=max&auto=format)Alex Patterson](/author/alex-patterson)[![Sathiesh Veera](https://cdn.sanity.io/media-libraries/mlttp0BZbCpV/images/fb30f43cbfcd16477c256f4320960d227c4b5a25-800x800.jpg?w=96&h=96&q=82&fit=max&auto=format)Sathiesh Veera](/guest/sathiesh-veera)🎧 Listen & Subscribe[Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/episode/7gxYW6nWY007agcA98sA3I)[Apple](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/4-20-infrastructure-driven-development/id1491655542?i=1000670087310)[YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&list=PLUKgAjyG9B0ZhUEXp9eVa7h4L__FDW3uV)[Subscribe on YouTube (62.5K / 100K) →](https://www.youtube.com/@codingcatdev?sub_confirmation=1)[Pocket Casts](https://pca.st/episode/61c27f9c-c2de-4840-81ab-3ae6bba01c9b)[Castbox](https://castbox.fm/episode/id2508485-id738367540)[Castro](https://castro.fm/episode/9mA1Wj)[Overcast](https://overcast.fm/itunes1491655542)[RSS](https://anchor.fm/s/115b203c/podcast/rss) ## Episode Sponsors. 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Sathiesh's story is inspiring and packed with valuable insights on how infrastructure and development intertwine to create robust tech solutions. ## From Traditional Jobs to Java Enthusiast During his college years, Sathiesh had the opportunity to get placed through campus interviews, which led him to work for various companies. Unlike many, his journey wasn't just about getting a job; he developed a profound love for Java, a language he has worked with for over 15 years. > "I started my first job, and that's where I got into Java. I always loved Java and developed too much interest in it." While many of us start our coding journey with languages like C and Java, Sathiesh's curiosity pushed him further into exploring more complex topics like data engineering and DevOps. ## Transitioning to the United States Around 2015, the wave of AWS and microservices began to take over the tech world. Sathiesh moved to the United States and transitioned his focus to microservices and infrastructure-related work. ### Evolution to DevOps Working closely with platform teams, Sathiesh found his interest pivoting towards DevOps. He enjoyed the blend of infrastructure and development, taking on roles that focused on deployment pipelines and improving efficiency. > "I was more focused on deployment pipelines, looking to automate testing and parallelizing activities to reduce unnecessary steps." ## The Birth of CloudPac Four years ago, Sathiesh and his friends [Madhu Chavva](https://www.linkedin.com/in/madhu-chavva/) and [Tej Rapolu](https://www.linkedin.com/in/tej-rapolu/), came up with an idea born out of solving infrastructure problems for companies. They started [CloudPac](https://www.cloudpac.co/), focusing on creating a unified solution for fragmented cloud services. > "CloudPac aims to solve fragmented services by uniting compute, storage, networking, and security in one package." Despite early setbacks, including challenges with pitching to YC and personal hurdles, the team persevered. They've learned from their mistakes and are optimistic about the future. ## Infrastructure Driven Development (IDD) Now, let's dive into the core topic of today's discussion: Infrastructure Driven Development (IDD). Unlike traditional coding practices where infrastructure is an afterthought, IDD emphasizes creating applications with a deep understanding of where the code will run. ### Key Takeaways - **Awareness of Environment**: Developers need to be aware of where their code will execute. This awareness impacts decisions on scalability, efficiency, and cost. - **Performance vs. Cost**: The trade-off between the two is crucial. For instance, AWS Lambda offers a cost-effective solution but comes with constraints like cold starts. - **Microservices**: Understanding the different compute options, from AWS Lambda to Kubernetes, and their respective pros and cons. > "A lot of companies face the challenge of making cost-efficient decisions initially and then dealing with the repercussions later." ## Challenges and Solutions in Infrastructure Throughout his career, Sathiesh has encountered numerous challenges, from inefficient deployment pipelines to cost overruns in cloud services. His approach has always been to balance functionality with infrastructure awareness. ### Case Study: AWS Lambda and DynamoDB When working with AWS Lambda and DynamoDB, Sathiesh's team observed significant cold start issues and connection limitations with their database. > "Each lambda instance created its own connection to the database, leading to contention issues." To tackle this, they explored alternatives and optimized their approach to ensure better performance and cost-efficiency. ## The Future of CloudPac [CloudPac](https://www.cloudpac.co/) continues to evolve, aiming to provide not just pre-built solutions but customizable stacks that consider various business needs. By leveraging LLM, they aim to offer tailored recommendations based on specific project requirements. > "The developer's role is evolving. Infrastructure awareness is no longer an option but a must-have." ## Video Chapters & Timestamps Jump directly to any segment of [**Infrastructure Driven Development**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo) on YouTube using the timestamped chapters below: - [**00:00**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&t=0s): Introduction - [**00:00**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&t=0s): Engineering Journey - [**00:00**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&t=0s): Transition to DevOps - [**00:00**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&t=0s): Founding CloudPac - [**00:00**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&t=0s): Startup Challenges - [**00:00**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&t=0s): Infrastructure Development - [**00:00**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&t=0s): Cost Management - [**00:00**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&t=0s): Future of CloudPac - [**00:00**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo&t=0s): Conclusion ## Resources, Links & Official Documentation - **Watch on YouTube: ** [Infrastructure Driven Development Full Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo) (plus [Subscribe to CodingCat.dev](https://www.youtube.com/@CodingCatDev?sub_confirmation=1)) - **Cloudinary: ** [https://cld.media/codingcatdev](https://cld.media/codingcatdev) - **Algolia: ** [https://www.algolia.com/?utm_source=codingcatdev](https://www.algolia.com/?utm_source=codingcatdev) - **Show Pick: ** [State of HTML 2024 (picked by Alex Patterson)](https://survey.devographics.com/en-US/survey/state-of-html/2024) - **Show Pick: ** [The Rings of Power (picked by Sathiesh Veera)](https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0CXGQPRFP/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r) - [**Sathiesh Veera Guest Profile & Episodes on CodingCat.dev**](/guest/sathiesh-veera) - [**Sathiesh Veera on GitHub**](https://github.com/Sathyvs) - [**Episode Sponsor: Cloudinary**](https://cld.media/codingcatdev) - [**Episode Sponsor: Algolia**](https://www.algolia.com/?utm_source=codingcatdev) - [**GitHub Actions CI/CD Documentation:**](https://docs.github.com/en/actions) Automated deployment pipelines, secrets management, and runners - [**AWS Documentation & Builder Center:**](https://docs.aws.amazon.com/) Cloud architecture, serverless compute, IAM, and managed services ## Related CodingCat.dev Tutorials & Podcast Episodes - [**Infrastructure as Code with Pulumi**](/podcast/1-1-infrastructure-as-code-with-pulumi): Talking with Lee Briggs about Infrastructure as Code (IaC). Lee explains what IaC means and how Pulumi is working on a solution that allows you to stay in the s... - [**Running the Cloud on Your Desktop with LocalStack**](/podcast/running-the-cloud-on-your-desktop-with-localstack): Tired of AWS running in the cloud, how about right on your desktop? - [**Breaking Into Tech Through Streaming: A Journey to Teach Jenn Tech**](/podcast/2-45-Breaking-into-Tech-through-Streaming): We chat with Jenn Junod on how to break into tech and maintain mental health. ## Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) ### What are the main takeaways from Infrastructure Driven Development? Join us as Sathiesh Veera shares his journey from engineering in India to a career in Java development, DevOps, and founding a tech startup. Infrastructure Driven Development: Join us as Sathiesh Veera shares his journey from engineering in India to a career in Java development, DevOps, and founding a tech startup. Don't miss out on his insights! https://codingcat.dev/podcast/infrastructure-driven-development Sponsors: - Cloudinary https://cld.media/codingcatdev - Algol, welcome back to coding cat. deev where we give you cats the freshest dose of Dev snacks brought to you by cloudinary build faster with AI powered image and video apis need better search Try holia powering Discovery hey saish how are you hi Alex good morning I'm fantastic how are you I'm fantastic welcome back perfect peeps to coding cat dodev podcast of course uh we're going to dive into some infr... Throughout this podcast, Sathiesh Veera breaks down real-world implementation details for Infrastructure, DevOps, AWS so developers can apply these patterns directly in production. ### How do you implement Infrastructure best practices in production? When adopting Infrastructure and DevOps in a production stack, start by validating your configuration against the [**GitHub Actions CI/CD Documentation**](https://docs.github.com/en/actions) (Automated deployment pipelines, secrets management, and runners). Focus on incremental adoption, automated testing, and observability so your team can measure performance and developer velocity improvements at each stage. ### Where can I watch the full Infrastructure Driven Development walkthrough and find related code resources? You can watch the complete video session for [**Infrastructure Driven Development**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7H3p9ptbOo) on the [**CodingCat.dev YouTube channel**](https://www.youtube.com/@CodingCatDev?sub_confirmation=1). For a deeper dive into Infrastructure, check out our related guide: [**Infrastructure as Code with Pulumi**](/podcast/1-1-infrastructure-as-code-with-pulumi). ## ✏️ Episode Summary Infrastructure Driven Development: Join us as Sathiesh Veera shares his journey from engineering in India to a career in Java development, DevOps, and founding a tech startup. Don't miss out on his insights! https://codingcat.dev/podcast/infrastructure-driven-development Sponsors: - Cloudinary https://cld.media/codingcatdev - Algol — welcome back to coding cat. deev where we give you cats the freshest dose of Dev snacks brought to you by cloudinary build faster with AI powered image and video apis need better search Try holia powering Discovery hey saish how are you hi Alex good morning I'm fantastic how are you I'm fantastic welcome back perfect peeps to coding cat dodev podcast of course uh we're going to dive into some infr... ✏️ Visual Architecture Diagram ## how this episode connects together. Follow AJ from first principles to production-ready architecture. Let’s build it!✏️ Visual Diagram: Infrastructure Driven Development✓ Good PatternVISUAL DIAGRAM[Diagram Walkthrough]Step-by-step diagram breakdown for Infrastructure Driven Development: start with Sathiesh Veera, implement Architecture & Patterns, and ship to production.AAA Contrast Verified ## episode picks. ### 🐾 Alex Patterson - [State of HTML 2024](https://survey.devographics.com/en-US/survey/state-of-html/2024) ### 🐾 Sathiesh Veera - [The Rings of Power](https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0CXGQPRFP/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r) ## related episodes. 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